I liked the original version that you wrote up, and I like this version too.
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Stop adding tags incorrectly. There are staff members who know how to handle tags, and will eventually get to all articles. Please leave that to them, as doing it incorrectly messes with the system.
You can see it in "history".
sorry about that. I should have just waited for somebody else to do it. Normally I don't mess with articles like that. I just noticed that there were not any tags on it and I thought that it needed to be fixed because the author hadn't done them.
By the way, if I am not supposed to add tags then why is it that anybody can do them?
Because there are authors that are able to do them, although it is a very small number of them. In addition, wikidot offers no easy way of restricting tag access.
I don't think wikidot has a setting to only allow certain people to add tags… And as a newbie tagger, Aelanna has told me that there's no big rush to get things tagged ASAP. Just let staff do itX And I need more practice in tagging, so if people could just leave new succesful articles untagged that'd be great
An interesting story, even if I appear to be missing bits and pieces of it. Biggest thing that sticks out is that your subobject notation is messed up; -1 should be the rock formation, -2 should be the head, and I don't know why the photograph isn't -3 when it's obviously related to the rest. "SCP-XXXX" should always refer to the entire aggregate anomaly.
Eh, that's not really a standard across the site. You can make arguments in favor of it, and it probably makes more sense from an in-universe point of view, but it's like SEK vs. more refined systems. Having no subdesignation is a valid tool for indicating something's importance or primacy.
I'm not consistent in my use of it myself. SCP-509 uses a system like you put forth, because the smokehouse and the sauna are of equal importance narratively, but SCP-2762 doesn't, because the snakes are just a product of the central anomaly.
I can see arguments going either way on whether the photograph constitutes a part of the SCP or not, but it simply doesn't make sense to not start subobjects at -1; someone will say "SCP-XXXX" and the listener/reader will wonder whether they're talking about a specific object or the entire anomaly as a whole.
It's like amnestics vs amnesiacs; one usage exists because whoever started the trend didn't think it through, but ultimately only one makes logical sense. Just because it's been used incorrectly in the past, doesn't mean we shouldn't strive to ensure that future writing isn't better and to ensure that extant errors are corrected when encountered.
As I said, having "SCP-XXXX" not be for the whole thing can serve a narrative purpose, as an invisible shorthand for showing a hierarchy. Yes, that's not quite solid from an in-universe point of view for the reasons you say, but I'm willing to ignore that insignificant piece of fridge logic in the name of telling a better story more easily.
That said, I don't think we're going to convince each other of anything on this. For what it's worth, I think I tend to do it your way unless I have a pressing narrative need not to.
Before I start out, subobject classification is too vaguely defined for me to really want to change that, although I do understand your arguments.
The way I've done subobject classification is that, if part of the anomaly is so important that it does not make sense to talk about the other parts out of context of the first part, that first part gets designated SCP-XXXX. So, like, if there are a bunch of smaller things that happen in a larger anomalous setting, that larger setting is -XXXX. The ambiguity argument is valid, but this system lets you indicate that one part is more important (or, in this case, misdirect that one part is more important) than the others. So I don't know. /me shrugs
I didn't classify the picture as part of the anomaly because it's really not; the Foundation doesn't have any reason in-universe to think it is-ultimately, it's only tangentially related to the SCP, and even then, its anomalous properties aren't coherent with the girl or the rock-the stuff that's making those things tick has nothing to do with this thing. And out of universe, it definitely isn't. And even then, it's hardly even an SCP (something which requires special containment procedures); at the time of writing, it's just a blip on the anomalous item log with a reference to this article.
Snow falls when the temperature is 0 and under in celsius, you have it falling at 8 degrees.
well, now that it looks like this article is going to stay, some thoughts:
first of all, if you feel you don't understand what's going on, google the title of this article.
the idea from this stemmed from the thought that i wanted to write about a superpowered teenage girl in containment and kind of snowballed from there into some thing about the GOC/Serpent's Hand and Chinese literature. Ultimately, though, this article is a superpowered teenage girl in containment, but the Foundation isn't the one that's contained her, and her superpowers are only implied.
so yeah, something something moral of the day: restrictions breed creativity
(account deleted)In the fifth phase, temperature drops to three degrees Celsius. The snow covering SCP-2178 melts despite the decrease in temperature, generating streams and rivers which pour down the sides of SCP-2178.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the freezing temperature of water is 0 C, so the fact that it melts shouldn't be notable. What should be notable is the fact that there is snow in the first place.
What the fuck am I reading? None of the parts of this article fit together to form anything coherent. Or maybe I'm just dense. Downvoted either way.
if your reading this your gay
It helps if you're familiar with Chinese literature, or the history of Buddhism in China.
Ah. Well, I'm not.
if your reading this your gay
Having just finished reading Journey to the West yesterday, I appreciate this.
That said, when he was trapped in the mountain, Monkey was perfectly lucid, wasn't he? And also furious?
I like it, although the chunk of the second log doesn't add much. It speaks vaguely about dealing with GOC and the Foundation, but doesn't add anything to this SCP besides some slight context for the end of that log. I think you could set up that context with a much more brief dialogue.
Also,
Dr. Zhang: Right.
SCP-2178-1: I do not need a name. […]
Seems to be a nonsequitor to me. The other parts of the interview have 2178 responding to the Doctor's questions, but here, she just randomly starts talking about something else. Why not have the Doctor ask "What is your name?" or something?
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