There is something I would like to point out. The chaos insurgency does have it's own website, like the serpent's hand does. Have you looked at it at all? From what I have seen it looks like you probably didn't check it out. (Although I am not sure if anybody considers the chaos insurgency website canon.)
http://ci-wiki.wikidot.com/
there is another one here although the quality appears to be way lower.
http://the-chaos-insurgency.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page
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(account deleted)Just a notice, this is the canon they set up. It isn't based on the website, as we aren't affiliated with them. (Disclaimer: not part of their team)
I can't speak for the others, but my experience with the Chaos Insurgency wiki is loading the front page, and thinking "That's actually kind of a neat logo. Too bad we're not gonna use it!" And… that's it. Like Kidd said, we have literally nothing to do with them.
The chaos insurgency does have it's own website, like the serpent's hand does.
Not exactly. The Wanderers' Library is a site run by mainsite staff and as such is affiliated with the mainsite, whereas the CI wiki is neither of those.
I think you should try to get the CI wiki (not the one in fandom or anything, the wikidot one)
http://ci-wiki.wikidot.com/
to be in the SCP universe. Although it does need major polishing, I think it would be a really good fit for the wiki. After all, there's not much activity on the SCP wiki regarding C.I. . The website could be used as a way to let people make their own "SCP"/"Items"/"Object"/"Anomaly"s/ies
that are unknown to the Foundation, but still present. They may be used as material for tales regarding the C.I.
And by major polishing, I mean the writing is basically the first SCPs but a little better and not much story to go on.
Anyway, I think you should check out their GoI page. SEPIA would be an interesting faction for the Foundation to be involved with.
It is impossible to visualize Everything.
Although it does need major polishing, I think it would be a really good fit for the wiki.
If something needs "major polishing", it's likely not a good fit for this wiki due to the high quality standards and community expectations.
The website could be used as a way to let people make their own "SCP"/"Items"/"Object"/"Anomaly"s/ies that are unknown to the Foundation, but still present.
Aren't most GoI-format entries about things that the Foundation doesn't know about? Aren't people already doing this?
I can assure you staff, or indeed the community at large, has no interest in unifying with the CI Wiki. Their writing standards are far below ours (this is not just slinging mud- this was something their staff had at times openly advertised) and from a cursory view, they would be the sole beneficiaries of any official link. Their work would need more than major polishing, it would need to be rebuilt from the ground up, and what end of ours would that serve?
Additionally, the staff of the CI Wiki in its glory days frequently caused problems for us.
There are multiple wikis out there that have absolutely nothing to do with this one save the fact that they take a concept from this setting and develop subpar material for it. As Zyn says, only the Wanderer's Library is recognized as a part of the shared universe built by this wiki.
I also don't like how you seemed to completely ignore this story when you explained the origin of the CI.
http://www.scp-wiki.net/slate-thunder
This is a really great story and I feel that it wasn't necessary for you to give a new story about how the CI was created that wasn't nearly as good. There is nothing wrong with making up your own story about how the CI was started (after all there are many origin stories for the Foundation), but if you don't do a good enough job of it while completely ignoring a better story about it then it's bad.
The tale is completely separate from this. You may think that the tale is better, but they have the right to choose what they want the origin story to be. They think that there story is better, so they use it. Or they don't want to seem like they're leeching off of a well known article. Anyways, they don't need to include other components into it, as they are supposed to make what they want to make.
I am aware of that but the new story that they gave was extremely unsatisfying to me. And I don't think that it was necessary to give an new explanation of how the CI originated at all. I would have been more interested in hearing more about what the CI's goals and philosophy are. Or more about what life is like in the Chaos Insurgency. If you ignore the CI wiki, then the CI is one of the GOI's that we have a far less clear idea about what they are like and where this lack of information is not a good thing. (unlike nobody and the factory, where it is best to have as little information as possible or as much conflicting information as possible makes them very flexible and fun for different authors to explore the mystery of)
From what I understood by reading the stuff about it and it's description, the main point of the insurgency was that it was a secret splinter group of the foundation that absolutely hates them. They kinda have to be shrouded in secrecy so that the foundation doesn't know what they're doing so they can't stop them.
As you said, the Foundationverse has many canons, as well as headcanons, that intersect, contradict, support, and convolute one another. While that origin story may be true for that particular canon and version of the CI, it isn't true of this canon and version of the CI, else they would've likely used it. This version of the CI is the one they wanted to portray, a new and distinct version.
…Besides, the characters and stories have already been built for this canon. It'd be a bit of a waste to update everything now.
E: ninja'd by the Kidd
I like this better than most of the CI content on the site, so far. Interested in seeing how this develops.
Right now, that logo is looking reeaaally cheap and tacky, like an MSpaint-job. You should probably touch that up.
Past the artifacts, it looks like goatse without the hands.
I agree.
I get dizzy when I try to read it and it does not really seem to fit with the theme of the CI at all. I don't understand what the words even mean. It sounds like word salad attempting to sound threatening without actually meaning anything. If it does have some metaphorical meaning then I am completely missing it. I know that Red Right Hand is a reference or quote from something, but the rest doesn't seem to have anything to do with anything.
And the rest of the symbol isn't any good either. It does not make me think of chaos or an insurgency or anything at all that is remotely related to either.
I really don't want to be snarky, but I didn't get the context of the quote at first either (I was absent for a lot of the planning but loved what chubert and TG came up with). So…I Googled it. It's a quote from Paradise Lost, where the silver-tongued devil Belial is attempting to persuade Satan to not pursue direct warfare with God:
What if the breath that kindled those grim fires,
Awaked, should blow them into sevenfold rage,
And plunge us in the flames; or from above
Should intermitted vengeance arm again
His red right hand to plague us?
Basically, if we go to war against Heaven, God's gonna kick our asses all the way back to Hell. (By the way, some scholars interpret the "red right hand" of God to be Jesus Christ. An interesting interpretation, seeing as how the CI believes it is the salvation of the world).
Belial convinces Satan to not go to war, but instead incite rebellion in Adam and Eve against God. Not force, but cunning. Not all out war, but almost like an insurgency of some sort…
I'm not big on the writing. Every other hub has at least something from the perspective of the GOI. The Serpent's Hand and Prometheus Labs also have summaries written by the Foundation, but they both also have segments of their own writing within the summary. This… doesn't.
I'm pretty cool with this. The CI and the Foundation are intrinsically and inextricably connected, the opposite sides of the same coin. I can understand a description of one from the perspective of the other; they define one another to some extent. And this origin story is less detailed than Slate Thunder, but I think it's more approachable and offers more intrigue.
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